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What about the applicable law?
If a license has a clause about the applicable law, is the license free? In my opinion, this clause is a problem because only the people that know a certain law can understand license's implied sides.
- I think CC are working on licenses covered by Berne/WIPO law only. But a license needs a jurisdiction to avoid confusion or argument over terms and meaning, so in this case having a jurisdiction may protect freedom. --Rob Myers 20:06, 14 June 2006 (CEST)
First Thoughts
I had some issues with the definition of free content here. Firstly, the document attempts to define "free content" as so many have done in the past, yet there is no clear definition of what is and isn't free content in the "free content movement" you discuss. It concerns me that a definition is being created in isolation from the wider community without proper discussion.
I see the definition here models itself on the free software definition, but misses several important and fundamental aspects:
How does the definition handle digital works (such as images, documents, etc) versus non-digitual works (such as hard-copy books, paintings, sculptures, etc)?
How should digital works be treated? A digital work, such as a wordprocessor document, can be viewed in two ways: firstly, as a work in and of itself, i.e. content, but also as a piece of software itself that can display a final work. Should you only have the freedom to study a work (content), or should you also have the freedom to study how a work was created (software)?
The definition talks about the freedom to make and release (distribute?) modifications but it doesn't say anything about source copies of work. I can think of several examples where the freedom to make modifications can be provided, but without a source copy of a work (i.e. in the format preferred for making modifications) making modifications could be prohibitive:
- Protected PDF - sure, decrypting such a PDF is possible but its a) tricky to export a PDF to a format that can be modified with all the information intact (images, tables, etc), and b) it may be illegal to decrypt protected PDFs in certain juristictions (DMCA?)
- Text content as image files - a user could allow users the freedom to modify his written works but only distribute them in image format. It is difficult for downstream users to then extract the text content
You also talk about "free content licenses" where you should really be talking about free content works: a license enables a free content work, but
Free experession is not the same as free content: you can have the right to free expresssion without having free content, and free content does not guarantee free expression.
I hope this is helpful. --Rgladwell 20:25, 1 May 2006 (CEST)
- Thanks for your comments. If you don't mind, I will move them to Talk:Definition/Unstable and respond there, just to have all comments in one place. First thoughts: You raise a very good point. Is it possible for something to be free content without the "source code" (or something equivalent) being available? Under the current definition, it is. Perhaps we need to find a wording that requires source availabiliy where such sources are essential to modifying the work. More later,--Erik Möller 20:42, 1 May 2006 (CEST)
- I've dispatched some of the comments into their own sections in Definition/Unstable. --Antoine 22:16, 1 May 2006 (CEST)
- Is there somewhere I can sign? -rhY-
- In terms of source requirements, should it be more along the lines of source must be supplied where it existed in the making of the derivative and in the case of simple copies, if source was available for the original?
Wow ... you even frame/structure Talk?! ... meh. Anyhow, nota: you have Definition as your default index (wrong ... on basic principle, wrong ... you program? think trampolene) but Definition links to the rest of the site very very poorly. --BenTrem 68.148.26.220 01:07, 25 June 2006 (CEST)
WANTED
Written By : Alaa Soliman
E-mail : alaa.din10@yahoo.com
March 2008 , Florida
Fade in :
INT. - Train - Day
- Ray about 30 years old
- Wears a Captain uniform & has a mustache
- Have sunglasses
- Reads a magazine, while an old woman sleeps beside him on a seat .. EXT. - Railway station – Day
- Train stops
- Ray gets out from the train curries a bag
- His eyes move in everywhere
- Walks out among the crowd
- Two women behind him
- Whispering, while he can hear them .
Woman ( l )
How handsome that man !
He is very handsome especially in such wonder wear.
Woman ( 2 )
Captain !
His life in the sea, oceans, ships and harbors
INT. - Ray's car - Night
- Black Ford Car 4x4
- A street corner
- Street is calm has little moving .
- Ray inside the car without mustache
- Smoking a cigarette .
- Wears black T. shirt & jeans
- Hears footsteps nearing behind the car .....
- Tony appears
- Tony is about 32 years old.
- Opening the door and sits beside him
- Lighting a cigarette
Tony
Everything is ok ?
Ray
Florida …. a wonder state !
Everything is ok
Tony
When did you decide to execute the first mission?
Ray
Saturday at night
Tony
After 3 days !!
Ray
This rascal shall return to his home around 7 p.m. with his guards every Saturday, then getting his office room in the first floor for an hour Next Saturday around 7.30 he shall bleed by shooting his head by Ray
Tony
I thought you shall kill him in his office
Ray
I found this is a very difficult
Getting away from the place after finishing the mission shall take time .
I planned for everything accurately
Tony
You're skillful in planning !
Ray
This Robin is living with his wife and one of his daughters in the house ....
Tony
I hope the mission won't be exceeded !
Ray
Won't exceed
Since I saw their photos … ..looked at their faces,
I become more ardent to kill them .
Especially the bold one
Tony
That bold shall leave the life next Saturday
Dissolve
Ext. – Robin's house - Night
- It consists of 4 floors
- House is very luxury
- A green area and plenty of trees
- Ray's car is far in the backside .
INT. - Robin's car - Night
- Mercedes car
- Robin is about 50 years old
- Bold, very Rich....
- Seating in the back seat
- His private guards in another car back him
- Driver drives the car
INT. Robin's house -an office room -Night
- Office room is rather dark
- Few light coming from out.
- Ray inside the office room
- Carrying a guns
- Looks from the window
- Getting out from the room careful
INT. –Robin 's house-Reception-Night
- Ray is hiding behind a column
- Suddenly, a light is turning on in the second floor.
- Gets attention …….. (Steady position to shoot. )
Ext. - Robin's house - Night
- Robin arrives
- Getting out from the car
- He walks to the house entrance
- Four guards around him
- Robin orders two guards, they stop, then enters with other two guards
Int. - Robin's house - Reception - Night
- Light turns on
- Robin enters to the office room with two guards
- Ray nears from the window
- Looks
- Seeing two guards outside
- Nears from the office room
- Pushing the door by his foot
- Ray shots a guard in his stomach.
- Rushing into the office room
INT. - Robin's house - an office room
- Ray shoots Robin's head
- With the other gun shooting the guard, but he didn't injury
- The guard shoots Ray
- Protecting himself through the door against shots
- Woman's voice screaming from the upper floor
- The guard is still alive beside the door
- Tries to get his gun
- Ray shots him while running, injuring his head
- Quickly shoots a guard who was coming from out, killing him at once
- Ray runs towards the house door
- A guard behind him but shoots the other guard who was coming from outside
- Ray runs to out
Ext. - Robin's House - Night
- A guard shoots
- Ray hides behind a tree but a bullet injuring him
- Steady to shoot
- Shooting from a far distance on that guard then injuring him in his hand
- Runs
- Putting his hand on his bleeding shoulder
- Drives his car with high speed
INT. - Ray's car - Night
- Ray bleeding from his right shoulder's injury
- He tries to overcome the pain
Ext. - Private hospital - Night
- Ray's car arrives to the hospital's entrance
Int. - Hospital – corridor
- A group of nurses
Ray
Where the Emergency room?
A nurse
The third room in the corridor end at right
A nurse
What happened to you?
Ray
Nothing serious
Int. - Emergency Room
- Ray enters
- Doctor refers to him to be lay down in a bed
- A nurse enters
The nurse
There's a child injured in his foot
Calls Doctor Steve?
The doctor
Quickly
- She gets out
- Doctor checks Ray's shoulder, making the necessary aid
The doctor
Your wound isn't easy
Is this shoot! Isn't it?
Ray
Yes
The doctor
How you could bear such hard pain?
Little people can bear pain such as you .
Last month, a man came to the hospital accompanied by his friend he was injured in his finger.
The screaming of this man was so loud, he couldn't bear such little injury it could hear his screaming from the end of the street!!
The bullet didn't penetrate your shoulder directly, but it made a large wound
Are you policeman?
Or someone shoot you?
Ray
- From Florida police
- The injured child enters with his grandmother and a nurse
- A child has about nine years, crying
The nurse
Bring the child here in the bed
- The bed beside Ray separated with a curtain
- Doctor Steve enters with two nurses
- Begin to make the necessary aid for the child
- Grandmother cries
The nurse
Be quite.. quite
He shall be fine
Doctor Steve
Check the child's pressure and quickly fetch oxygen
- the nurse drag the curtain that separating between Ray and the child
- But Ray can see the child's face
The doctor
Did you follow a criminal?
Ray
An murderer criminal
The doctor
This is too much cost paid by policemen
Ray
That is right
The doctor
You offer several sacrifices for us
(To the nurse) what about the child.. ?
The nurse
The child's grandmother says that he was playing in the garage, which is full of scrap and heavy objects that a piece of iron falls on his foot .
Ray
This is a very painful for a child in such age
The doctor
Do you feel better now?
Ray
Rather
The doctor
Check his pressure
Currently we don't need more that this
Some analgesic for pain after surgery.
Ray
Thank you
The doctor
Surely your pressure is lower
You bleed too much
The nurse
His blood pressure is really lower
The doctor
Remember that pain shall hurts you after 6 hours
But the wound has been cleaned
- Ray looks to the child through the separated curtain
The doctor
You should be in a rest today
- Ray tries to get up
- Feels pain
The doctor
To where?
Ray
I can't stay in the hospital
Thanks, anyway
The doctor
Why?
Your wound needs some care
Why you insist to go now?
Ray
I must go now
Believe me, I feel better, Thanks again
- Ray drags the separated curtain between him and the child
Ray ( to doctor Steve )
What about his wound ?
Doctor Steve
He shall improve at anyway
Ray
Are you his grandmother?
The grandmother
Yes
Ray
What's his name?
The grandmother
Anthony
Ray
A handsome and charm boy
Doctor Steve
Don't worry
He shall be recovered
This shall take times.....
The grandmother
How long?
Doctor Steve
About 10 days, maybe rather more
The grandmother
Should we come to hospital for another time?
Doctor Steve
No, nurse shall follow – up his wound in the house if you want so.....
The grandmother
Thank you
- Anthony crying but little
- Both Ray & Anthony looking to each other
Ray
Can I visit you in your house to see Anthony?
The grandmother
Of course, You are welcome. Our address is vatrim street 5087,Hilkhreew No,532
The doctor
I didn't know your name yet.
Ray
I'm Ray
The doctor
I'm doctor Alan, and this is my comrade doctor Steve.
- Ray looks to Anthony
Ray
Thank you.
- Getting out. Wound bandage on his shoulder.
Int. - Ray's apartment - Night
A luxury apartment
Ray is setting, drinks
- Before him a big photo on the wall for a beautiful blond woman, his lover Anne .
- A photo for Robin marked with red x, beside it, a photo for another man without x on the wall
- Beside Ray briefcase, bag full of money
- Looks to the other man's photo
- Puts the cup of Brandy
- Picks the gun up
- Aiming the gun towards the man's photo
Ray
Now is your turn
Did you prepare your coffin?
Ray's shot shall penetrate your head
Your life becomes just little days.
Your face is ugly!
Makes me furious like your dead friend!
Ext. - Anthony's house - Day
- Ray arrives in his car
- Without wound bandage
Int. - Anthony's Apartment - Day
- Knocking the door
- The grandmother opens
The grandmother
Welcome Mr. . Ray
Ray
Good morning
The grandmother
Please come in
- He enters
Ray
How is my friend Anthony now?
The grandmother
He's sleeping since two hours
Took analgesic then slept at once.
Ray
A boy full of vital and joy!
The grandmother
Would you like seeing him?
Ray
I come exactly for this purpose
The grandmother
With pleasure
- To Anthony's room, at right side of kitchen
- Opening the door
- Ray enters
Int. - Anthony's bedroom - Day
- Looks to the innocent child's face
- Gets out then gently closing the door
Int. - Hall
Ray
What about the pain?
The grandmother
Every day improves than before .
It was unforgettable day!
I didn't feel him when gone out then sneak into garage.
When I saw him screaming.. screaming and his foot full of blood
I wept also, Maybe I would faint
Ray
Anthony looks like me when I was his age
The grandmother
Really?!!
Are you recovered from your injury?
Ray
Rather
Are you live with Anthony alone?
The grandmother
His parent in a work in Swiss ….. they left him with me
I don't know what I can say to them when ask me!
Ray
Don't tell them anything.
Don't make them worry.
The grandmother
There's no doubt when they come back, I shall tell them
My temper doesn’t bear anymore!
I'm an old woman exceeded 75 years.
- Anthony's voice from his bedroom
Anthony
Grandma.. grandma
- Ray with the grandmother to the room
Int. - Anthony's bedroom
Anthony
Ray!... My friend..
Ray
My friend Anthony
Anthony
I'm very glad to see you
Ray
Do you feel any pain right now?
Anthony
Pain hurts me from time to another
But it isn't hard
Anthony
And you?
Is your shoulder hurts you?
Ray
Sometime
Such injury shall not make you play again in the garage
Anthony
I will not do it again
But you didn't tell me?
Ray
Tell you what?
Anthony
How your shoulder injured?
Ray
Is this important?
Anthony
I'd like to know
Ray
One of the murderer criminal shoot me
Anthony
Why?
Ray
I…….
-The grandmother interrupt Ray
The grandmother
Do feel hungry Anthony?
Anthony
No, no
I don't feel hungry now
I want to drink water
- Ray pouring him a glass of water
- Grandmother looks to her watch
The grandmother
After half an hour you shall get a capsule of your medication
Its time after half an hour
Ray
Anthony, you look like me when I was in your age
Anthony
Am I ?
I'm glad to hear that my friend
Have a photo for you when you were a child to compare myself?
Int. - Florida police - corridor -Day
Neil from Florida police to the commissioner's office
Int. - Florida police -the commissioner's office
Neil gets in
Commissioner
Robin is the Ray's first victim
Neil
Maybe there's other victim or victims!
Commissioner
Everything was expected as there's who paying for that..!
Where's Albert?
Neil
I saw him parking his car
We shall do our best to arrest him
We have got several notifications from New York police confirming that he is in Florida
Time is very important
Commissioner
We're facing professional criminal and very intelligent
This made him in the list of the most wanted
- Searching some documents on the desk
All investigations, evidence and information from New York , it was assured that Ray has come to Florida for a murder as maybe crimes .
Neil
Exit intersection.. Airport.. Railway stations.. High ways under control!
- Albert from FBI enters
Commissioner
Is there new news?
Albert
There's no news except what we have verified
A killed shoot in the victim's head by Ray!
Neil
If one of Robin's guard still alive, we couldn't verify that the guard recognized his photo as soon as shown it
Albert
Yes
In addition that, this criminal has super ability to aim the goal accurately, he distinguishes with disguise
Commissioner
We thank Ray that he didn't disguise when executing this
crime
Albert
Since 6 months, we assured from our source that it was agreed with him to kill one of the elected person in the local municipality elections for the benefit of other elected in one of New York Subsidiaries, but so sorry it could approve the accusation on such elected.
Commissioner
It must arrest him before making more crimes, he considers a threat for public security
Albert
It should increase investigations in everywhere may suspecting to be there.
Neil
Many investigators and private detective are spreading now in everywhere.
- Ray's photo on the computer's monitor front of him
Commissioner
What about the next plan?
Did you discussed it together?
Neil
Yes we discussed
Albert
We have some notices shall be discussed together
Neil
I think if could hold this thread, it is probably arrest him
Commissioner
The success of this plan firstly depends on Brain's agreement to work with us without force.
Neil
This is very important
He departure the prison just from short time
Albert
If we could persuade him to work with us as a nark! It shall be good!
Brain Knows most Rich Businessmen and many persons who pay money versus killing.
He has multiple relationships with several gangs and murderers in Florida ! I think he shall do much if agreed to work with us!
Commissioner
Ok., we see what will happen with him
Int. - Ray's Car - Day
- Listening to hit music
- Mobile ringing
- Turning down the music
Ray
Yes
Tony! Where are you?
Intercut with Tony in his Car – Day
Tony
In my car
Ray
I'm also in the car
Tony
Are going to the apartment?
Ray
Yes
Tony
Ok, I will be at you after half an hour
- Ray returns to hit music again
Int. - Ray's apartment - Day
-Ray holding a cup of wine
- Bell 's sound
- Opens the door
- Tony enters
Ray
Look……
- Refers to Anne's photo
Tony
A charm woman!
Wonder blond! Her golden hair makes her more charm and fascinating.
She's really beautiful
Ray
Would you like a cup?
Tony
I'll be thankful
- Ray prepare him a Cup
Tony
In the newspaper, I saw the bold … Robin's photo shoot in his head
- Ray smiling
Tony
How I felt proud when you told me, you achieved the first mission!
I felt proud because my friend is a professional, never miss his goals
Ray
Tony…. Do you remember our last days in New York ?
Tony
I wish if such days returned again whatever for just one day!
It was nice days; I left New York to Florida . Since Hank told me that he wants to kill two persons and needs a professional to finishing those at once, I imagine you
Ray
Hank pays a lot of money!
Tony
He has great wealth
He considers one of businessmen here in Florida . Everything, Trade and Industry.
Ray
Drugs!
Tony
No, no ,
He doesn't need more money
- Tony stands
- Fetch another Cup of wine , lighting a cigarette
You didn't tell me about Robin, How could get the house? Alarm system in everywhere, Secret doors, Guarding dogs
Ray
It wasn't a problem to me
Tony
Do you agree with me that the most danger gang that consisting of just one person… that's you?
Ray
I agree
Tony
I affirm that I admire you, Since We
Known each other and become friends from 12 years …!
-Tony puts his hand on his shoulder
Tony
Is your shoulder has been recovered?
Ray
Yes
Also Anthony can walk now
Exactly Ray but a child, when I saw him I felt that I'm facing myself when I was a child!
Anthony asked me about the reason of my shoulder's injury? I forced to lie!
I told him that a criminal shot me … then he asked me about the reason too!
I dodged to answer … what I would telling him?!
I injured when providing a murder mission …! I don't like to know that.
Maybe he doesn't understand anything … but I don't like Anthony to know !
INT. Brain's apartment – Bedroom – Night
- Brain the criminal
- Naked in bed with a naked woman
The woman
I'd like to be with you forever
How days, months and years have lost when you were in prison
Brain
We shall recover those days now
- Kissing her
- Suddenly
Neil and Albert pushing the door strongly
- Aiming their guns towards Brain's face
Brain
Who are you? How did you get in?
-The woman screaming…. Putting bed sheet on her breast to cover it.
Brain
What do you want?
Neil
Florida police
Albert
FBI
Brain
What do you want?
I'm arrested?
If so, why?
Albert
You aren’t arrested exactly
It is our luck that door was rather opened so we entered
Brain
I want to know what's happened.
Neil
You will know everything
Brain
Shall you take me naked?
Albert
Wear your clothes then let us go
Brain (to Neil )
The pants beside you on the chair
I'll wear pants under over … would you please?
The woman
And me …. And me
Albert
Calm down for a while. you aren't aimed for anything
Brain
May you bring please?
Or you want to down from the bed then walking naked as I born front of you!
- Neil throwing the pants on air then falling on his face
Brain
Thanks
- Trying to wear the pants ……. He still under bed sheet
- Suddenly throwing the bed sheet on Neil's face
- Quickly getting up
- Pushing Albert by his hand
- Takes his shirt quickly
- The woman screaming
- Brain running.. escaping from the apartment
Ext. - Street - Night
- Wearing his shirt while running
- Albert & Neil run after him
Neil
Stop Brain .. stop
Albert
Don't ever shoot
- Hides behind a vettura
Neil
Rascal!
Albert
Damned! .. Vile!
Ext. - streets -Crowd - Night
Albert
He's there
- Running
- Brain among crowd, cars ,people
- Trying to stop any car, but useless
- Running among people
- All go away from him
- Hiding behind a stopped car
- Careful, looks through car's glass
- Sees Neil & Albert
- Tries to open car's door
The car's Owner
Get away of my car
- Brain strike his face strongly
Neil
Is he lost in the crowed?
- Brain running
- Hits with a man, falling together
- Quickly gets up
- Keep running
Neil
He falls there!
- Running towards him
- Red Pontiac car driven by a woman was steady to be stopped
- Brain pushes her out
- The woman screaming
- Brain rushing into the car
- Drives the car with high speed
- A taxi is passing in this moment
- Albert stops the taxi.
Int. - Taxi - Streets - Night
Albert
Quickly follow that red car
We're police
- Neil makes a contact
- Neil
Unit 15
Unit 15
We're in san Dircy street , We need a police car to halt the way front of the fugitive. Right now. Red Pontiac car
Albert( to the taxi driver )
Don't let him runaway
The taxi driver
He's crazy!
What this rash does? What is his crime? ...... why
Do you chasing him? !
Is he stolen this car?
Albert
Don't talk too much.
Keep following
Don't let him escape
Int. - Streets - The red car
- Brain drives the car frivolity
- Crushing a car
- Keep his way
Ext. - Police car - Night
- Police car moves
Int. - Taxi - Streets
Albert
Foolish!
Neil
He near from the highway
Ext. - The red car - Street - Night
- Car's steering wheel out of his control
- Crushing two cars
- Getting away from the street
- Brain turns with the car then keep his way
Ext. - Police car
- Police car appears
Int. - Police car - Night
- 3 Policemen
- One of them makes a contact
-Picks the microphone to call in
The policeman
We can 't halt the way !
Very crowed !
Ext. –The red car – Highway –Night
The red car to the Highway
Int.. - The taxi - Highway
Albert
We must contact the first intersection
- Neil makes a contact
Neil
Unit 15 .. unit 15
Telling the first intersection with car's details
Int. - Police car - Highway - Night
The policeman
I'll do order right now
- Picks up the microphone to call in
Intersection A
Intersection A
From Intersection
I hear you
The policeman
Here unit 15 ,A red Pontiac car
Its numbers panel is crushed
Driven by a man
You should stop this car
Int. -The red car - Highway
- Brain trying to cross a big truck next to him
- Steering wheel out of his control
- The car gets away from the way
Ext. -The red car - Highway - Night
-The car crushing with the iron barrier
- Turning over many times
- Police car stop
- The taxi stop
- Running towards Brain
- Brain's face bleeding
Neil
Is he still alive?
Albert
I don't think so
The taxi driver
Can I go?
Albert
We thank you
The taxi driver
I'm always helping policemen
Is this crazy dead?
Int. - Neil's office -Day
Neil & Albert
Neil
Our thread has been cut!
Albert
He's died! I think we mistaken when we entered to his bedroom armed
- Ray's photo on the wall … [ Wanted ]
Neil
Don't forget Brain is a danger criminal
Always armed, shooting anyone facing his way
Albert
He though that we came to arrest him
Neil
He always used to escape from policemen
- Mobile rings
Albert
Yes
When?
Watching 24 hours a day
Ok … ok
Albert
There's a call from FBI
Neil
About Anne?
Albert
I asked to watch her 24 hours a day
Neil
Maybe longing and yearning to her lover makes her coming to Florida
Albert
This is just probability
She will be under watching
Neil
If so, she will make a great help
Int. - Anthony's house - bedroom - Day
- Anthony wears his clothes
Anthony
What is your opinion about this red t. shirt?
Ray
As you like
Anthony
I ask you my friend
Ray
This red is elegant
Anthony
Ok
-The grandmother enters
Anthony
I didn't go out since 20 days grand ma … !
The grandmother
Anthony, you must be careful
Ray
Be quiet about him
- Anthony combs his hair
Anthony
I 'm finished
Ray
Let 's go
-Ray helps him
Anthony( to his grandmother )
Do you change your mind and come with us?
- Getting out from the room
Int. - Anthony's house - the hall
- She opens the door
The grandmother
Please Mr. Ray don't be late
Ray
We shall not
Ext. - Anthony's house – Day
- Ray helps Anthony to get in the car
- Puts him safety belt
- The boy salutes his grandma
- She salutes him
- The car moves
Int. Ray's Car – Day
Ray
Would you Italian Food?
Anthony
Pizza?
Ray
Pizza.. Do you like pizza?
Anthony
I think nobody dislike it.
Pizza…. Italian food !
Ray
Also Italy distinguishing with macaroni..
Anthony
Did you visit Italy before?
Ray
Since 7 years!
Anthony
Do you like Pizza my friend?
Ray
As you said ....No body dislike pizza
Anthony
To the Italian pizza
Ray
When your parents come?
Anthony
I don't know
My father called yesterday but didn't tell anything
Ray
Did you talk with him
Anthony
Little
He called lately at night
I was sleepy
My grandma didn't tell him about my accident
She told me to not say anything
Ray
well done
Anthony
Mum will be so sad when knowing what happened to me and of course dad too.
But when they come, I shall tell them about you!
Ray
Me?!
What you will say?
Anthony
I shall say you're my new friend
Although you're older than me
How old are you?
Ray
Guess?
Anthony
25 , 28 years
Ray
How old are you exactly?
Anthony
9 years
Ray
I'm older than you about 21 years
Anthony
30 years
Ray
I seem older or younger?
Anthony
Seem younger
Ext. The restaurant - Day
- The car is parking
- Ray get out
- Helps Anthony to getting out
Ray
What about this Italian restaurant?
It offers all kind of Italian food , especially pizza
-They enter
Int. The restaurant - Day
Anthony
Is there unoccupied table!
What shall we do now ?
Going to other restaurant ? … we haven't luck to eat pizza today ?!
Ray
This time usually crowded
-Ray sees unoccupied table
Ray
There's one
-They go to unoccupied table … seating
- Waiter gives each one a menu
Ray
2 pizza
Waiter
Which kind?
Ray
All in the menu?
Waiter
Yes
Anthony
Great!
There're many kinds … sea food pizza, vegetables, meat and others.
I take pizza with vegetables
And you?
Ray
Me..
This.. no
Pizza with tune
Waiter
Ok sir
Anthony
Look..
-Ray turns around
Ray
What?
Anthony
This fat man!
Eats with a funny way!
Eats gluttony! Doesn't care anyone around him.
Doesn't feel shame?!
Ray
In which class are you in?
Anthony
Fifth class
Ray
Are you success or not?
Anthony
I didn't fall up till now in any exam
Ray
What would you like to be?
Anthony
A pilot in U.S. Air forces
Ray
Do you like air ?
Anthony
I like planes and pilot's uniform
But I prefer warplanes than civilian planes
I keep many pictures from magazines and internet about warplanes F16 – F 22 , Ghost, French Mirage, and others .
- Waiter brings the pizza
Anthony
Delicious!
Isn't it?
Ray
Very delicious!
Anthony
I forget to ask you, what is your job?
Ray
Why do ask me about my job?
Anthony
I want to know everything about you.
Ray
As you guessed my age, can you guess my job?!
Anthony
This is very difficult!..
Ext. Gym center – Day
- Tony 's BMW car stopped next to the Gym center
- Getting out from the car
- Enters
Int. Gym Center – Day
- Tony walks till reaching the receptionist
- Talks with him
- Turns around then going to a hall
Int. Gym – Center
- Looking around
- The center has some men and youth in different ages practicing sport with devices
- Tony sees Mr.Hank ,about 55 years old
- Hank Manilow , one of businessmen , and the most rich man
- Tony going forward to him
Tony
Mr. Hank
Hank
Tony! … What do you want?
Tony
Don't want see me?
Hank
I told you before we shouldn't meet till finishing everything!
Tony
That's right
But …
Hank
But what?
Speak……..
Tony
You seem annoyed from seeing me!!
Hank
I don't want anyone seeing us till finishing everything … I warned you before and you disregarded my warning.....
Tony
Why overdone fear and worry?!
Mr. Hank, you seem that you forget our agreement!
Hank
No
I didn't forget
Shall we talk in another time
Tony
When?
Hank
Tomorrow at seven P.M.
Tell me, what about your friend Ray?!
Be careful, don't tell him anything about me
Never Tony…. Never!
You shouldn't mention my name … I don't tell you what I shall do if happened so! Consider it is a threat… warning as you wish…do you understand?
Tony
The important thing at him is money… just money
Be quiet , he doesn't know anything about you
Hank
Also the important thing for you is money
Just money
Did he tell you about the second mission?
Tony
He plans , determining time and place then execute
I think he execute successfully
He doesn't like to stay here for long time , as soon as finishing the second mission, he will leave Florida
Hank
Ok Tony
You can go
Tony
Bye..
- Hank returns to his gym
Hank ( to himself )
Vile!
Ignoble!
Ext. Gym Center - Day
- Tony gets out
- Drives his car
Int. Tony 's apartment - bedroom - Day
- A woman in nightgown lies in a bed
- The woman is Tony 's lover , Martina
- Tony arrives
- She hiding behind the door
- He begins to take off his shirt
- She kissing him
Tony
Honey!
Martina
Didn't you feel my presence?
Tony
It is a pleased surprise!
Martina
I missed you too much
Tony
How I miss you!
-He kisses her hot deep kiss in her lips
Martina
We didn't meet than 20 days!
Tony
I'm really busy these days
Do you feel hungry?
Martina
I prepare you wonder food within minutes
- She getting out
- He looks to his face on the mirror
- Touches his beard
- Enters the attached small bathroom to bedroom
Int . The bathroom
- Tony begins to shave his beard
- Martina's voice from the kitchen
Martina
Would you like omelet with salad or …
- Tony doesn't hear
Martina
Tony … Tony
Tony
What?
- Turns shaver off
Tony
Do you say something?
Martina
Would you like omelet with salad or cheese with boiled vegetables?
Tony
As you with
- Turns shaver on
Ext. A street - Day
- Ray's car stopped
- Daimler car stops next to a building
Int. Ray's car – Day
- Ray watching the building's entrance
- Opens car's window little
Ext. The building's entrance - Day
Arthur… the man whom his photo was hanged beside Robin's photo in Ray's apartment appears.
A rich man about 48 years old surrounded with 3 men of his guards.
Int. Ray's car - Day
- Steady position to shoot
- Aiming the gun towards Arthur's head
- But suddenly a woman appears cut vision
- She kisses Arthur
- Guards turning around them
- One of them opening the car's door
- Arthur sits beside her in the back seat
- The car moves
- Ray lights a cigarette
Ray ( to himself )
What is damned luck?!
Ignoble prostitute woman!
- Turns with the car in the other direction
Int. Tony 's apartment – bedroom - Day
- Tony with his lover naked in the bed
- Dalliances , kisses and embraces
- Mobile ringing
Tony
- Is this a time for calls!
- Go to hell
Martina
Maybe it is an important call
Tony
There's no one in the world more important than you … I love you … I love you ….
Int. Ray's car – Day
- Ray trying to make a mobile call , but useless
- Throwing mobile with a nervous action to the back seat
Ext. Ray's car
- Ray's car crossing down town streets
- Stops next to a bar
- Getting out from the car
- Quarrel in the street next to the bar … two men are fighting.
- Ray looks to them….
- Enters to the bar
Int. bar - Day
Ray
Beer
- The barman prepares a cup
Man (1)
This is the worst bar!
Man (2)
All bars here worst each other!
The barman ( to Ray )
Is this the first time come to here?
- Gives him a Cup
- Ray
And the last time
- They laughing
Man (1)
Did I tell you!
This man shall not come to here again
This is the last time
- Ray drinks
- Looking to them
Ray
Shut up
Man (2)
Do you prevent our talks?
- Ray going towards him
- Catches him from his shirt
Ray
I don't like to hear your voice
Or I shall break your neck
The barman
I'm sorry for this
- Ray ready to go out form the bar
The barman
You didn't complete your drink !
- Ray throwing him about 100 dollar in the air
Int. Florida Police - Neil's office - Day
- Neil makes mobile call
Neil
Where are you?
Intercut with Albert in a room – Florida Police – Day
Albert
Floor 2
Neil
Okay
- Neil gets out
INT. Corridor - Florida Police
Neil ( to Margrate ) Police woman
Margrate !congratulations for come back
Margrate
Hi, Neil , thanks
- Neil arrives to a room in floor 2 , then enters
Int. - Florida Police- an office room
- Ray's photo victims on the wall
- The victims , men , woman
Neil
Ray's Victims!
Albert
This man!
Ray killed him in 1994 . His name
Jeff Kilsany . In 1995 another crime has been committed
Neil
Every year he used to commit a crime As long an there is the sponsor of the committed crimes, he is ready.
Albert
His victims are many .Look… In the year 2000, he killed that husband after his wife paid to money to do this.
Neil
There's no thing important in his life more than money
Ext. – Ray's Apartment - Night
- Light glimmering.
- Charming view
- Ray looks from the window
- Drinks a cup of wine
- looking at the photo of the second man, Arthur on the wall.
- Spitting on it.
Ray
You can't escape the next time.
I'll kill you ………...... Kill you.
- Bell 's sound.
- Ray opening the door.
- Tony & Ray are embracing each other's.
Tony
My dear friend
Ray
You look tired..!
Tony
Is this clearly appearing on my face?
Ray
What are you doing to look so tired?
Tony
Nothing new!
- Tony is looking at Anne's photo on the wall....
Tony
Good Evening my fair lady.
Ray
I have called you today
The mobile was off....
Tony
I was so busy at that time
Ray
In what?
Tony
I went to bed with a woman.
- They laughing
Ray
Beautiful?
Tony
So beautiful.. Charm brunette
Ray
I don't like brunettes
Tony
When will you execute the second mission?
-Ray sits
Ray
I was about to kill him, unfortunately he escape
Tony
How?
Ray
I was about to shoot him; unfortunately an old cursed woman cut vision.
Tony
Where?
Ray
Before the building of his office.
- Tony fetch cup of wine
Ray
He will not escape
I need to make surveillance and collect the required information
Tony
Then, the mission shall be long?
Ray
Not much
Tony
I'm waiting
- Ray standing
Ray
The problem that this scoundrel has no appointed time or fixed places.
He moves from place to anther continually!
He will not escape from Ray's bullet!
What's your next deal with Hank?
Tony
Every thing is delayed!
I shall be a partner with 20 %
EXT.- Building - Day
Ray's car stopped before a building .It consists of 3 floors.
- Arthur, appears from the window, with the owner of this building.
- Ray is getting out his gun
- Directing the gun toward Arthur's head.
- But, Arthur enters.
- Ray is getting out from the car.
- Running toward the building
INT. The building
- Ray enters
- The building is unoccupied.
- Ray creeping to the floor where Arthur present in.
- Listening to the dialogue..
- A group of Arthur's guards.
Arthur
Be sure, the amount I give you can't be paid by anyone else.
The owner
I know that
Arthur
Ok, we agree
The owner
You offered me very enough amount more than I expected.
Arthur
Do you know why I bought this building?
I shall change it into super restaurant as I shall call it the name of my new wife.
She will be so happy when knowing that.
You shall get cheque with all amount on Citibank.
The owner
But… I wished if the cheque was directly on HSBC bank
Arthur
As you like. No problem
Tomorrow morning, I will be in my grange.
You can come to sign the cheque
The owner
Ok
Arthur
Now, I want to have another look at the floor 3
INT. - Corridor - Building
- Ray is hiding
- Steady position to shoot.
- Directing his gun toward Arthur's head, but a guard cut vision.
- They are going up to the floor 3
- Ray is going down quickly..
EXT. - Street - Day
- Ray gets out
- Running quickly toward his car.
- D riving with high speed
EXT. - The grange - Day
- A large area, bushy trees .
- A high fence of wires surrounds the grange.
- The gate is closed and guarded by a security man.
- Ray wearing a black suit.
- Standing before the wires..
INT. - The grange
- Arthur is lying down in the terrace
- Beside him Linda the woman who appeared with him in the entrance of the building of his company .
- The guards are four men in different places....
- Mobile ringing
Arthur
Oh my God!
Calls never stop
Linda
Calls means money
Arthur
It looks no time for relaxation and rest.
- Holds mobile sees the called number
Arthur
He is one of those stupid who doesn't differ between work and rest time!
Put this disturb mobile inside , I don't like to hear its ringing!
The guard
Ok, sir
EXT. - the grange - Day
- Ray is examining the wires.
- He is trying to penetrate the gun through the wires.
- But, he can't because of the narrow holes.
- Running to his car
INT. - The grange - The terrace
- Arthur and Linda are still lying down in the terrace
A guard
The horses are ready
- They are getting up
Arthur
A quite and peaceful horse for you
Horses ridding is so enjoyable! Especially in this wonder place and weather!
Linda
I'm ridding horses since I was eighteen. I didn't continue more than this
Arthur
You look as you still eighteen!
EXT. - Road - Day
- Ray has got out his bag from the car
- The bag contains a number of tools, wires, scissors and iron equipments.
- Taking an iron scissor.
- Testing the scissor using a strong cable.
- The scissor is cutting the cable.
- Taking the scissor.
INT. - The grange - Day
- Arthur is on the horse.
- While Linda on another.
- The guards are watching them.
- Two of them are on their horses.
- While the others are standing.
Arthur (to the horse)
Oh Faslom! Since a long time, we haven't met
Three months ago, I didn't come here.
Linda
Projects, deals and meetings
Arthur
My life full of hard work all time
Imagine also weekend ,Projects, Deals and Meetings !
Linda
It is hard! And health ruinous.
Arthur
I will try to arrange it even if it is hard
Linda
Did you try before?
Arthur
I did but I failed
Linda
Try again
EXT. - The grange - Day
- Ray is trying to cut parts of the cable using a scissor.
- But, he coudn 't
- Seeing a big vettura beside the wires , thinking for a moment
- Running, getting up of the vettura then, climbs , jumping into the grange without being noticed .
INT. - The grange
- Ray inside the grange.
- Hiding behind a tree.
- The horses are before him nearby.
- At this moment, One of the guards has been seen him!
- Ray is steady position to shoot.
The guard
Look!
- The two guards are shooting
- Ray shoots Arthur's head.
- Linda screams
Linda
Arthur! Arthur!
- The guards are running toward Arthur.
Linda
Carry him to the car, I take him to hospital immediately
- Two guards carrying him, while the other guards shooting in everywhere.
Guard (1)
There!
Guard (2)
He can't escape
- The guards are ridding the horses shoot.
- Ray is looking at the gate.
- He has observed the security man of the gate carrying his gun.
- Running behind the trees.
- One of guards on his horse has observed him....
- He shoots him.
- Ray is hiding well behind a tree.
- Steady position to shoot.
- He has shot the guard on the horse and killed him.
- Running, hiding behind the bushy trees and stones.
- The four are running, three of them are guards and the forth is a security man.
A guard (to the security man)
Oh rascal! Stay in the gate
- The security man is running toward the gate
- Ray is shooting him in his back.
A guard
This is the villain!
- He is shoots
A guard
We should surround him carefully
I'm from this side and you from the right..... Come!
- Ray is watching the guard who is moving in the right side.
- Steady position to shoots..
- Shooting him in his head
- Running quickly from the right toward the gate.
- The other two guards are running
- Ray is coming out to the road.
EXT. – Road -Day
- Running toward his car.
- One of the guards is shooting him.
- The bullet hits the car's door.
- Getting into the car, driving at utmost speed.
- - The guards getting into a car.
INT. - Ray's car - Day
- He has smashed small wooden booth.
- Its parts have scattered.
- He is looking at the car mirror.
- The guard's car follows him
- Ray has heightened the car speed
- As a result of the high speed, the car is hitting a tree.
- The front part of the car has smashed then stopped.
- Comes out quickly.
Ext. – Road - Day
- Ray running. They are follow him
- Before him, a school
- Running into the school
INT. - school
- Teachers and students
- Ray rushing to one of the rooms.
INT . School - Room
- A lady is ready to go out
- She hits with Ray, screams
- Ray is hiding behind the curtains.
- The guards are rushing to the room.
- The lady is weeping
- Ray is steady position to shoot.
- One of them has injured in his shoulder and the other in his foot.
- The lady is crying
- Screaming from outside
- Ray is ready to jump from the window.
- Jumping outside.
Ext. – Road - Day
- Looking at the road, hoping to find any car
- A car has appeared from a distance.
- Weaving to the car
- The car has topped.
- A young man of 18 years has driven it.
Ray
I want to go to the downtown.
The young man
You are welcome
INT. – The car - Day
The young man
Did you find any problem in this area?
Ray
No
- Ray is getting out tissue from his pocket.
- Drying his sweat.
- The young man glances a gun
- He is worried and confused.
The young man
Are you a policeman?
Ray
How did you know?
They young man
I had glanced a gun
- Ray gets a gun
Ray
It is a gun never leave me
It is always my sincere friend
I'm a policeman.. Yes
I was following one of the criminals
The young man
Has he escaped?
Ray
I killed him
No one can get away of me
The young man
It seems that you are an experienced and clever policeman
Ray
That's what they are saying
The young man
What did this criminal do?
What is his crime?
Ray
These are top secrets
The young man
Sorry
Policemen very danger job!
Full of risks!
Ray
Won't you stop talking?
The young man
Sorry again
Dissolve
INT. – Florida police – commissioner's office – Day
- The commissioner and Albert with the two guards of Arthur.
- The two guards with wound bandage
- Albert is holding Ray's photo.
- One of the guards is looking at the photo.
The guard
Yes, he is
- The other guards is taking the photo
The other
He is the dirty criminal!
The guard
This criminal caused us a disaster!
The other
We didn't know how he could sneak into the grange?
Albert (to commissioner)
Concerning the black car, FORD model, it appeared that he has rented of office using a false name called (Ronald Ziessy).
The owner of the office has recognized his photo.
Knocking on the door.
Commissioner.
Yes
- Linda is entering
Commissioner
When did your relation begin with Arthur?
Linda
Since one year
Albert
Did you see the man of this photo before?
- She is looking at Ray's photo
Linda
No
Albert
If he has enemies, who are they?
Linda
I recognized him in one of the biggest concert
He was charm and emotional
It was the gladdest year of my life.. last year that we spent it together
Oh! Such happens has been finished and never come back
I don't know anyone of his friends
I know only the guards.
He was living alone.
We were about to marry.
-She is crying
Commissioner
Please, be calm
Linda
Why has he been killed? Why?! Why?!
It's very difficult and hard
They killed all my dreams
Albert,
Please, don’t cry
Linda
The killer must be submitted to justice
Albert
This we trying to do so.
Did you leave your address, telephone and mobile number with the officer outside?
Linda
Yes, I did
Can I go?
Albert
But, remember that you are under request at any time and you will be called again for the investigation.
- she is coming out
The guard
She is a respectful woman
Albert
Have you any comment on her tales?
The other
No
All what she has said is true.
It was a wonder love story between them .It ended painfully!
Commissioner
You can go
Albert
It should be made a comprehensive investigation concerning to determine the enemies.
EXT. – skyscraper - Day
- A car of Cadillac has stopped.
- A businessman is coming out of it.
- He is Dan who is 51 years old.
- Enters.
INT. – Hank's office – Skyscraper- Day
- The 51st floor.
- A wonderful decoration.
- An extremely majestic office.
- Expensive antiques
- Hank in his office.
- A charming view appears behind the glass.
- Knocking on the door.
Hank
Yes,
- The office manger enters
The office manger
Timetable that you ordered
Hank
Is there any meeting in the evening?
The office manger
At seven p.m. with NIOP chairman, Mr. Douglas. That's all
Hank
Delay such meeting with him.
-The office manger gets out.
- Dan enters.
- Shaking hands.
- Dan sits
Hank
Welcome Dan
DAN
Did you read the newspapers of the last five days?
Hank
Just dirty things and have been removed forever.
This is the normal punition of those people who trying to dare me. I could revenge for myself in the suitable time
Dan
Your reaction was danger and unexpected!
I surprised for what had happened!
Hank
They caused me much pain and troubles.
Did you forget? They tried to kill me!
Dan
It couldn't assure that
Hank
No, I assured
I haven't enemies except them
-Hank stands looks at the window
Dan
The comprehensive investigation is still running till now.
I hope that you will be above suspicion.
-Hank turns to Dan
Hank
I'm out of any suspicion. I did it to conserve my life and reputation. It was my life's fault that I dealt with those people. But it will not happen again
Dan
I don't support aggressive and killing as a way of solving the problems and disputes.
Hank
It is the only way that those know and understand it
Without God's blessing I would die now.
-Hank sits again
Because one of them I lost 19 million dollars in a month!.. The villain Arthur!
You think I shall be patient more than that?
Dan
Be calm.. Relax
If you had asked my advice, I would not have given you the permission to do it.
It's no use crying over spilt milk.
Hank
You utter this because they never hurt you.
As for me, the situation is completely different.
The criminal who is killed doesn't live here
Dan
I know this before....
Hank
I was in a badly need first , for a professional killer .Second , in a short time . Third , A killer from outside
Dan
You attached yourself in a circle! Never can penetrate it easily
Hank
I was ready to pay any amount whatever
There is a mediator between me and the criminal
This mediator is a Ragamuffin!
He doesn't know anything about me
He had never seen me before ,and I 'm too
If we meet together anywhere, no one will know the other
I feel comfortable now!
After killing this scoundrels
Dan
Who believes that Hank manilow can be involved in such crimes?
Hank
It's the first time and it will be the last.
Dan
Although Robin & Arthur are surrounded by a large group of guards , they are killed! I astonish how they could live normally among theses guards!
Didn't they feel restricted?
Hank
They are surrounded by guards of a dirty business in addition to their original work, drugs, money laundering. Etc I'm sure of that
Dan
You also have two guards!
Hank
They are guards. Not criminals !
-Moment of silence
Dan
What do you think about?!
INT. - taxi - Night
-Ray is making a mobile call.
-Intercut with Anne in her apartment (bathroom)- Night
-The mobile is ringing
Anne
Ray !!
I miss you
Ray
Me too honey
I missed you so much
Anne
All matters are ok?
Ray
No problems
I performed the two missions successfully.....
Anne
What about your injury ?!
Ray
It was little injury
Anne
I can't absolutely bear that
Ray
Where are you now? What are you doing?
Anne
In the bathroom
While the mobile was ringing, I was taking shower
I was feeling that you are going to call me.
So I put the mobile on a stand
Ray
Then you are naked?!
- They are laughing
Anne
We will meet soon!
Ray
I'm in my way to see Anthony
Anne
Is he recover from his injury?
Ray
Yes he can walk normally now.
You will see his photo when I come back. I got a photo from him
Anne
You make me ardent to see his photo
Ray
I liked him so much
Anne
I'm going to surprise you
Ray
You are my charming princess and fair lady
What is the surprise?
Anne
No, I will not tell you
Ray
Kiss you
Anne
Kiss you
-Turns mobile off
-Ray looks from the window seeing a store for toys and gifts
Ray (to the driver )
please stop front of this store, Wait me
-The taxi stops
-Ray gets out
-Enters to the store
INT. - The store - Day
Ray
I want to buy an airplane but warplane
The seller
Is this important?
Ray
Yes,. yes very important
The seller
Sorry
You can find your request after two days if you visited
us
Ray
Unfortunately!.. Thanks
-Ray gets out getting in the taxi. Its move
INT. - Anthony's apartment - Night
- Anthony is looking through the window.
- Seeing Ray
- Anthony is walking toward the door.
The grandmother
Anthony !
Anthony
My Friend …Ray!
- Ray enters
Ray
How are you my little friend, Anthony?
Anthony
Fine
Ray
Good evening
The grandmother
Good evening, you are welcome
Next Sunday Anthony's Parents shall come
Ray
Really?!
The grandmother
They called me yesterday morning
Ray
Pleasant news for you Anthony !
Anthony
I missed them so much
Ray
I notice that you walk naturally now
Anthony
Pain has decreased completely
Ray
I came today to say goodbye
Anthony
Why?
Ray
There is no reason to stay here any more Anthony
Anthony
Why don't you stay here with me?
Ray
It doesn't mean we shall not meet again
Surely I'll back to visit you.
Believe me, I wish if time was longer. But sorry
Anthony
I am so sad to hear this
Ray
I don't want to see you unhappy
The grandmother
You will come to visit us?
Ray
Of course.
INT. -Night club -Night
- A nightclub in downtown.
- Tony with Martina
- Drinking
Martina
This is the last cup please Tony
Tony
No. we will go on drinking, then spend a hot night
We shall spend one of an enjoyable night in our life
Martina
I'm agree
- He kissing her.
- Touches her cheek.
Martina
You excite me
Tony
This is exactly what I meant
Martina
Stop it
- One of Hank's guards.
The guard
Mr. Hank wants you at once
Tony
Now?!
The guard
He sent me to bring you to him
Tony
Why did not he contact me through the mobile?
The guard
I do not know I have no information
Tony
I shall drink the last cup …,then go with you
Shall I bring you a cup
The guard
No
You drink too much
Tony
Where is he now?
The guard
In the garden of the villa
Tony
So it is not far
Tony (to Martina)
If I am late, go to the apartment
I will return back to you
They go towards the exit door
Tony
This is the first time he sends you to arrest me in this way!
Ext. Nightclub-Night
Tony
My car is not here
The guard
I came in a car
-They getting in
INT. Bentley Car
Tony
Wonderful Bentley!
The guard
He owns a collection of the most excellent recent cars.
Tony
Do you remember the black MAYBACH car that he bought last month?
The guard
It is fantastic masterpiece!
It made especially for him!
EXT. - Garden –Hank 's villa -Night
- A villa like a castle
- Lights glimmering around the swimming pool that is located in a middle of a garden
- Hank is sitting on a chair
- A guard is a few meters away
- Hank is reading some documents
- Tony with the guard entering
Tony
Is there anything that necessitates coming in this way?
- Hank puts the documents on the table.
Hank
Have a seat
Tony
Scarcely, I see you in such case
Hank
Which case you mean?
Tony
Relaxed. . Not nervous. . not stressed
Hank ( to the guard )
You can go
- The other guard is still here.
Tony
Why did you ask to see me?
Hank
Don't be hurry
Tony
This is the first time happened so
Hank
I wanted to talk with you
Tony
In which thing?
Hank
You were in the bar?
Tony
Yes
Hank
Undoubtedly, you won a lot of money since I helped you.
Profits from deals from everywhere
Commissions, rewards and so on
Tony
You opened for me many closed doors
Hank
I think you were and still very loyal
Isn't it?!
Tony
Of course
Hank
All right
Tony
I don't understand what you mean?
Hank
I just wanted to remember you
Your friend is so professional
He could achieve the two missions successfully.
Tony
I was sure that. Did I tell you no one as my friend Ray
The two missions were done as agreed!
Hank
Yes . . . Yes
Where is he?
Tony
Why? I think he will leave Florida tomorrow
Don't worry .As I told you many times he doesn't know anything about you!
He took the money then did the mission
Hank
Why did you leave New York ?
Tony
I came to Florida to establish import and export company
But unfortunately, project was broken down!
I couldn't make any achievement
Hank
Maybe this is the last meeting between us......
Tony
Are you traveling abroad?
Hank
Not me who shall travel
Tony
I don't understand
Hank
Never mind
- A moment of silence.
- Hank with a gestured from his head to the guard
- Comes from behind Tony cautiously carrying a gun
- The guard shoot Tony
- Tony falls on the ground bleeding
Hank
Sorry Tony
You are just an insect that has performed its role . . . a climber!
Now your mission is complete
(to the guard) As I promised you a big reward is waiting for you …You wouldn't have dreamed of it all your life
The guard
I am at your service Mr. Hank
- The guard puts the corpse in a bursa, ties with iron chains - Carrying it to the car.
EXT. –Streets -Night -
- The car that carries Tony's corpse crossing down town streets.
- A sound of music.
EXT. Bridge -Night -
- He reaches
- Carrying the corpse
- The guard watches all directions.
- No one
- He throws the corpse from the bridge
- It sinks in the river
The guard
Good bye Tony!
Money important than anything else
I think you know that very well.
Dissolve
EXT –Tony 's house - Night
- Ray is looking at the window of the apartment
- No lights
- Making a mobile call
- But useless
INT. Florida police- Day
- Neil is reading some documents
- Albert enters
Neil
We couldn't reach anything important up till now!
Albert
We couldn't reach Ray or the instigator who paid him the money
Neil
We need more patience and time
Albert
Danger criminals don't easily arrest them
Most know nothing about the enemies
Neil
They are trying to hide some facts and data because they don't want to involve in any problems
Albert
This makes our mission more difficult
Neil
This is the daily reports for the intelligencers , private detectives and investigators
Nothing new !
Albert
The investigation reports are familiar
Neil
Did you order to continue watching?
Albert
Yes
Watching will not stop on all persons who probably have relation with the two crimes
In the first crime, there're 6 persons under control, and in the second crime there're about 11 persons
Neil
Look! There's news !
-They're reading from the computer's monitor
Albert
Good Anne!
- The mobile is ringing.
Albert
Yes
When?
This is great news
Flight number 542
- He looks at his watch
Ok
We will be waiting
Neil
Anne!
Albert
The lover couldn't bear her lover's absence any more.
After two hours, she will be at the airport
To the airport immediately
Come on
Neil
Unasked, she will lead us to Ray
Albert
Watching continued for more than two months
- They getting out.
INT. - Corridor - Florida police - Day
Albert & Neil
Neil
You will fall in the trap today Ray
Albert
The car is ready?
Neil
Of course
EXT. – Florida police
- They getting in a car
- Not a police car
INT. –The car -Day
- Albert drives.
Neil
Finally Ray!
Albert
Ray shall be arrest by us within hours
Ext.–Airport -Day
- An plane lands
- The passengers to the arrival hall
INT. AirPort –Arrival hall
- Albert and Neil are waiting
- They watch all the passengers.
- Anne appears
- Albert sees her
Albert
Welcome Anne
Neil
She looks very happy
Albert
She will see her lover after long time.
Neil
We leave her till she passes from the arrival hall
We will go out from the other door
Come on
- Anne gets out
Ext. –AirPort -Day -
Anne (to a taxi driver)
Please to the downtown
- Albert and Neil are getting into the car.
INT. Taxi -Day -
- Air touches Anne's hair.
- She smiles
Anne
Weather is wonder!
Florida doesn't get crowd like New York
The driver
I drives slowly, Is this annoying you?
Anne
Are you a new driver?
Int. -The car –Day
Albert
Come on Anne quickly
Neil
This taxi driver is very slow
Albert
I don't know why he drives slowly?!
Neil
She didn't find except this driver..!
Int. –The taxi - Day
- The driver looks at the mirror
The driver
This car is following us
Anne
What?!
The driver
Since we moved from the Airport ,this car is following us
I 'm sure
Anne
That Car?
The driver
Yes
-Anne is thinking for minutes
Anne
Stop please
- The taxi stops
INT. –The car -Day
-The car stops
Neil
What happened?
Albert
Oh! My God!
A stupid driver!
Neil
I fear if she observed our following up to her?
Int. Taxi - Day
The driver
Is there any problem between you and the driver of this car?
- Anne is thinking
- An idea comes to her mind
- She looks at the car
Anne
Is there a hotel nearby?
The driver
There a small hotel
Anne
It doesn't important, to that hotel please
Where is this hotel?
The driver
Not far
Could you know him? And why following you?
Anne
No
The driver
What about if we stop and ask him why he follows us?
Anne
No …. No don't stop
To the hotel quickly
The driver
This is your first visit to Florida ?
Anne
The first time
INT. Ray's apartment -Day
- Checks his gun
- The photos are still on the wall. A red sign x on Arthur's photo.
- Taking the photos off.
- He lights a fire in them
- Whops Anne's photo
- Kisses it
- Puts it inside the bag
- A mobile is ringing.
Ray
Yes
Anne!!
Intercut with Anne in the taxi – Day
Anne
Listen to me
I am here in Florida in a taxi
There is a car follows me now
Ray
Why did you do that? Why?
Do not come to the apartment
Take care Anne
Anne
Sorry my dear
Now, I am on my way to one of the hotels
Ray
Stay in this hotel
Anne
I never expected that I'd be under surveillance
Ray
I will leave the apartment
Anne
To where?
Ray
I'll leave Florida today despite everything
Thanks for your calling.. Anne
Sure, the airports are being watched, the high way , The railway
If they aren't from the policemen, who are they then?
You should stay in the hotel today .Act naturally till you go once again to New York
Anne
I don't know if there will be an air flight tomorrow or not.
Ray
You can stay here for some days.
Anne
I am sorry. I am stupid, foolish
Ray
No time now
Do exactly as I say
Anne
I will do
Ext. –Hotel - Day
- The taxi stops.
- Anne gets out
- Towards the hotel door
- She sees the car
INT. –The car -Day Neil
In that hotel you stay Ray!
- The taxi moves
- Albert (to the driver)
Go to hill
INT.– Hotel -Day
Anne
Please, I want a room
The receptionist
Do you want certain requirements for the room?
Anne
Please, quickly
The receptionist
How many days will you stay here?
I asked you before if you want certain requirements for the room.
Anne
No. No, any room.. Any room
The receptionist
Please, your I.D. or your passport
Anne
- Giving him her I.D.
The receptionist
Room No. 186
- Albert & Neil is entering
- Only 3 ladies in the reception.
- Anne looking to Neil & Albert.
The receptionist (to the bellman)
Carry the bag to room No.186
- The bellman is carrying it to the upper floor
- Anne is following him
- Albert & Neil to the receptionist
Albert
We are from FBI and Florida police
- Neil is getting out Ray's photo.
Neil
Is the man of this photo is resider in the hotel now?
And in which room?
- The receptionist is looking at the photo.
The receptionist
I had never seen him before
Albert
Are you sure?
The receptionist
Yes
Neil
Verifying from the photo again
The receptionist
I 'm sure , I didn't see the man of this photo before
Albert
Guest list please
The receptionist
Here you're
Neil
Is there another receptionist here who changes the shifts?
The receptionist
Amelia starts her shift at six pm.
Albert
It is possible that Ray has a false I.D or passport
Also, probably, he may be disguised.
How many guests now in the hotel?
The receptionist
Only this 3 ladies, with their children and two men, but in out now!
- Albert, Neil looking to the 3 ladies
- Close up on their faces one after one
Neil
Oh! My God! I think we need to policewoman for actualization those ladies!
Albert
We'll wait the two men
Neil
Don't tell anyone that we're police
The receptionist
Ok ,sir
Neil
When these two men come back?
The receptionist
I don't know
Int. Anne's room – Hotel- Day-
- Anne is weeping
- Making a call
Anne
Please, Is there is a flight to New York now?
At 3 pm.
Very Good
I want to a ticket please
Yes..first class
No..no thanks
My name is Anne Tieowhel
Thank you
- Drying her tears
EXT. - Cafeteria - Railway station- Day
- Ray disguised in a priest dress with beard
- Reading a newspaper.
- Having two bags.
Int. –Hotel – Day
- Anne appears going down the stairs
- Still Neil, Albert in the reception
Anne
I have to go now.
Sorry
The receptionist
What has happened?
The room unappealing ?
Anne
The room is fine.
This isn't the reason.
The receptionist
It's a bad luck
Anne
Thank you
The receptionist
I wish to see you again in our hotel
Anne
Thanks again
- Anne is looking to Neil & Albert
- She is going to the exit door.
- Neil & Albert following her
Ext. – Hotel- Day
- Anne is waving to a taxi.
- Getting into.
- Alberto & Neil are getting in the car.
Int. The car - Day
Albert
To where Anne?
Neil
Sure to her lover
INT. The taxi
-Anne is drying her tears
The driver
What had happened?!
Anne
Nothing. Nothing
The driver
I 'm sorry
INT. The car – Day
Neil
Oh! My God!
Albert
Impossible!
She is returning to the Airport!
Neil
Caused by the damned driver!
What a bad luck!
Albert
She called Ray to warm him
Neil
If wasn't that foolish driver!
Albert
All threads that would lead to Ray have cut.
Neil
Maybe ,Ray is back with here on the same plane
Of course disguising
Albert
Anyone with her shall be arrested . if he is Ray or not
Neil
We must arrest her
She is accused of helping a criminal to escape.
Neil
The stupid taxi driver!
He could see us in despite of the long distance between the two cars.
INT.- Cafeteria - Railway station -Day
- Ray is sitting.
- Watching the place.
- He stands
- The porter approaches him..
The porter
Can I help you?
Ray
Carry this bag, please.
- Ray is carrying only the bag of money and his guns
- Going to the platform
INT. –The AirPort - Day
- Anne is waiting the plane..
- Watching the place surrounded.
Albert
We must verify from all of those.
- Passengers on the plane in different ages, old, young, women and men
Neil
Is he so professional in disguising to this way!
- Albert & Neil are approaching her.
Albert
Let me introduce myself to you
I'm Albert, from FBI.
- Anne is trying to be calm..
Neil
Neil from Florida police
- Each one of them is showing his I.D. card
Anne
What do you want?
Albert
You have come to Florida one hour ago.
You didn't stay in the hotel
Then you have decided to come back again.
Anne
Is it outlawed?!
Neil
But, Helping the criminals to escape are outlawed
Anne
I don't understand
What do you mean?
Albert
Where is Ray?
Anne
Who's Ray? I don't know this Ray!
What is my crime to arrest me?
Albert
Help a criminal to escape.
Anne
I don't know criminals
Neil
You're Ray's lover, we know that
Albert
You were watched from the police
- Taking her out, Get in the car with them.
Int. Florida police - Day
Neil
Please your handbag
Anne
It isn't allow to you that
Commissioner
No, it is allowing....
- Neil opens it.
- Gets a notebook
- Gets mobile out.
Albert
Where's Ray? Is he still in Florida ? Or back to New York ?
Anne
I told you I don't know that Ray.
- Singer sings this song
(the lyric of the song, written by Alaa Soliman)
Title:- Can You Sing With Me?!
Can you sing with me?!
Now.. Sing.. Sing..... Sing.. with me
Believe me.. we have a lot to live together and starting again
Believe me.. we shall coloring our next life with loud color
We are as two birds.. two birds
I can take off my heart.. take off my heart
Then offering it to you
There's no thing shall change our modes.
INT. Train - Sunset - Dissolve
- The train moves speedy.
- Ray is looking at the sights through the window.
- The song continues -
Sun rises on your face
I'll fly from the earth to the sky
I'll fly with two wings.
Colors dancing front of me
All barriers and forests shall be broken.
Can you sing with me
Sing . sing. sing with me ( END )
The Open Knowledge Definition
Last september/october the Open Knowledge Foundation 'ported' the Open Source Definiton to produce the Open Knowledge Definition (full text).
This came out of various discussions with people working on open geodata, open access, and open databases of scientific data. As I wrote then:
"The Open Knowledge Definition (OKD) provides an answer to the question: what is open knowledge? It puts forward, in a simple and clear manner, principles that define open knowledge and which open knowledge licenses must satisfy.
The concept of openness has already started to spread rapidly beyond its original roots in academia and software. We already have 'open access' journals, open genetics, open geodata, open content etc. As the concept spreads so we are seeing a proliferation of licenses and a potential blurring of what is open and what is not.
In such circumstances it is important to preserve compatibility, guard against dilution of the concept, and provide a common thread to this multitude of activities across a variety of disciplines. The definition, by providing clear set of criteria for openness, is an essential tool in achieving these ends."
I therefore think this new initiative is a big step forward at a time, when at least to judge from my experience of debates about the CC license at Free Culture UK, there is no clear consensus about terms such as 'Free Content' (and therefore no consensus about the norms of the community).
Given the common interest in these issues I'd very much like to get further involved in the FCED -- and parhaps also look at a way to merge the OKD and the FCED.
--RufusPollock
My take
- "Works built by communities collaborating as volunteers, art created for the purpose of shared enjoyment, essential learning materials, scientific research funded through taxpayer money, and many other works do not benefit from artificial scarcity. They benefit from being used freely."
I think this needs some revising. Production and quality do not benefit from artificial scarcity- individual works may very much so benefit. The last sentence needs some amending- Free content is not just used Freely, but more. An important distinction to my mind.
- the freedom to redistribute copies, in whole or in part, of the information or expression
- the freedom to make improvements or other changes, and to release modified copies
This freedom isn't very clear. Does this involve not charging, or are "reasonable and non-discriminatory" licensing fees acceptable?
- My take on this question: those fees are not acceptable as normally understood. But it does not involve not charging either. For instance, in Free Software, you can charge whatever you can manage when someone obtains a copy from you. That you cannot do is make them pay you a fee when they then make copies of that copy for themselves.
- "Any original work of authorship is copyrighted. Under copyright law, authors are considered God-like "creators" and are given legal powers they can use against those who duplicate "their" content in altered or unaltered form."
Personally, I'd like a bit of a mention of the artificiality of copyright. That first line certainly makes it sound like copyright is a God-given natural right.
More generally, the attribution section strikes me as troublesome. What happens if I take an article, on Fujiwara no Teika, say, which is a stub, and work like the dickens on it, until it is orders of magnitude larger, such that there is not so much as a single word in common with the original article? Should the first person still be credited as the original author? --maru (129.21.121.235 06:47, 6 May 2006 (CEST))
Adelphi
Please also consult the Adelphi charter.
And regarding Public domain there is also the concept of "gemeinfrei"/common free in droit' auteur regulation. i.e. public property vs. free to use
The freedom to use and perform the work
I'd like to see the word "display" added to this since perform covers music and plays while display would cover films and pictures.Geni 01:46, 14 February 2007 (CET)
- Since we speak of any use, private or public, and all related rights, this is covered, but I agree that we can & should explicitly enumerate it in the next version.--Erik Möller 02:45, 14 February 2007 (CET)
Discussion list
Is it possible to host the discussion list elsewhere than Google Groups? Not everyone wants to centralize their activity in a Google account. Not to mention that plain-jane Mailman archives are so much more usable than Google's system. Thanks. --Antoine 12:44, 16 February 2007 (CET)
- I can host a mailman list for this on Wikia if there's no objection to that. Angela Beesley 14:18, 17 February 2007 (CET)
- Thanks for the offer - but I'd prefer to host the list with Mako. He's already offered to set up a list for us. As a private company in the wiki space which, I hope, will one day adopt the definition, I don't want Wikia to be seen as in any way influencing its content (same reason I wouldn't host the list with Wikimedia).--Erik Möller 14:40, 17 February 2007 (CET)
- Thanks, anything resembling a normal mailing-list with public archives will be ok. --Antoine 15:31, 18 February 2007 (CET)
Metaphor suggestion
I would like to thank the developers of this definition for clearly distinguishing between works that are truly free, and those that are only semi-free. One thing the concept lacks, though, is a simple metaphor as in "free as in beer" vs. "free as in speech", that can be used to illustrate the basic distinction of this paradigm in a non-technical way. Not sure if such a thing belongs in an official definition, but I think it's something we should have around. I think I might have come up with something helpful, which is explained in the passage below:
Many licenses are called "free", but they are free in different ways. One has to ask, is a work "free to pamphlet" or "free to marionette"? A "free to pamphlet" work may be free to hand out copies (while rewriting or sale is restricted), but a "free to marionette" work is free to adapt into a marionette show, and to sell tickets at the door to rent the theatre and feed the hungry puppetteers.--Pharos 00:03, 19 February 2007 (CET)
- I think that is a nice metaphor for an essay. I would encourage you to draft an essay here -- I hope that, like the GNU site, freedomdefined.org will eventually be a solid collection of philosophical material.--Erik Möller 21:13, 19 February 2007 (CET)
- Thanks, I've written something at Free to marionette. Not sure where it goes in the structure, though.--Pharos 09:29, 24 February 2007 (CET)
- I've collected that and some other material I found here at Portal:Free Culture Soapbox. There didn't seem to be any established place for such material till now, so I just went ahead and created one.--Pharos 08:01, 10 March 2007 (CET)
Source data
I think the source data section will still need some work to deal with cases where such data is simply not obtainable; IMHO that should not make the work non-free.--Erik Möller 21:11, 19 February 2007 (CET)
I think this is a very tricky part. The source vs. binary duality is very different in the case of a creative work. If I took a photo of a flower would the source data be the flower itself, the raw format of the photo, or would the jpg be enough? If I released a png after adjusting the white balance, would I still have to release the raw format for a work to be free and be excused only if I happen to 'accidentally' destroy the raw data? I think that as long as a work is editable the source data is irrelevant. In the case of software, not releasing source places a technical impediment to modifying the work. In the case of a 3D scene this might also be the case, but in the case of an image it is clearly not. In the case of an audio file, or a film, would the author have to release the off cuts? I would not think so. --Inkwina 16:07, 13 March 2007 (CET)
I think is this fine to distinguish between works where there are no "source data" and where there is. A not yet fleshed-out thought is that anything that can be modified non-destructively should be available for distribution in the preferred form for modification. Kat Walsh 18:28, 27 March 2007 (CEST)
Copyleft suggestion
I would like to see a discussion of copyleft and what it needs to have to promote / protect a pool of Free Works.
Moral rights
There are some moral rights (droit d'auteur not copyright) that I have as an author and due to legal restriction I can't waive them. Does this make my work unfree? This page or Permissible restrictions does not address this issue.
PS. You may call me old fashioned, but I don't think sentences like these give a mature and intelligent impression: "They consider authors as god-like creators and give them an exclusive monopoly as to how 'their content' can be re-used. This monopoly impedes the flourishing of culture, and it does not even help the economic situation of authors so much as it protects the business model of the most powerful publishing companies." Samulili from Wikimedia projects
- I agree, the hostility is unnecessary and immature. 130.58.68.159 22:47, 1 April 2007 (CEST)
- In my opinion, moral rights do not make your own work un-free, because they don't forbid other people to e.g. make modifications, they allow you to oppose some modifications on a case by case basis. --Antoine 20:21, 6 April 2007 (CEST)
Commercial Restrictions
What about some restrictions on the commercial distribution of a work? That is, a free culture work can be copied and those copies can be shared but with some restrictions on selling those copies when permission is not granted.
- That isn't free content. Commercial Restrictions are explicitly not permissible restrictions. Angela Beesley 18:20, 3 April 2007 (CEST)
In the summary...
considered "free." --> considered "free".--Alnokta 20:47, 9 April 2007 (CEST)
"god-like creators"?
From the definition: "In most countries however, these freedoms are not enforced but suppressed by the laws commonly named copyright laws. They consider authors as god-like creators and give them an exclusive monopoly as to how "their content" can be re-used."
Is this even true? The purpose of Western copyright law is not meant to prop authors upon some pedestal to be worshiped, but to provide direct incentives for them to publish in the first place. Thus society benefits from the all-rights-reserved work, even if to a lesser extent than if work was freely licensed. I recall at least one US Supreme Court case finding that the primary purpose of copyright/patents is to provide for the benefit of society, and secondly to reward the author if he/she so chooses. Congress has made policy decisions to exempt works of federal employees from copyright, provide for "fair usage", and set (generous) copyright duration limits.
My incentive to publish most of my work under free licenses is to promote a progressive international society. I expect that the Congress that passed the original version of copyright law shared the same values, as they have created the foundation which makes our work possible. Thanks, GChriss (Who is not a lawyer.) 23:46, 10 April 2007 (CEST)
- True, but one has to appreciate the significant difference between original intentions and truth on the ground. I believe that the Original intentions of the people who first came up with the idea of copyright where not to different from ours, when taken in the context of the period. Yet, I think that legislative development is an evolutionary process, and evolutionary process exist in a state of equilibrium which can become unstable, at which point a fork (not dissimilar to a source code fork) tends to occur.
- I think that in the case of Creative Works this fork has occurred (with the emergence of the internet as the critical factor driving the imbalance) with the "Freedom Culture" and the "IP protectionist Culture" as its two branches, both relying on the same resource, namely "Copyright laws" to archive their goals. Therefore, it is very important to make it absolutely clear how the "Freedom Culture" differs from the "IP Protectionist Culture", by stating the state of affairs as they are today, not based n original intentions. On the other hand a Definition ought not to rely on emotionally charged statements to provide its information. I think that statement needs to be changed not because of what it tries to convey, but because of how it does it ... because at the end of the day the medium is the message. --Inkwina 15:27, 13 May 2007 (CEST)
- By "truth on the ground," do you mean to say that aggressive copyright compliance has historically increased? The idea is plausible, but I am interested in seeing direct evidence of such a claim.
- I agree that making "absolutely clear how the "Freedom Culture" differs from the "IP Protectionist Culture"" is terribly important. I also posit that we should respect both and acknowledge that "free" is not always appropriate. The author needs to make that choice, a choice partially informed by freedomdefined.org. Thanks, GChriss 16:04, 14 May 2007 (CEST)
- By the "truth on the ground" I mean the actual legislation and regulations that are in effect today that are supposed to implement that original intention, as well as case law, actual enforcement, the current context particularly asyncronisity with the digital media, adequacy in view of globalisation etc ... and current public perception of those intentions
- So, in short, I think we are agreeing. Where I do tend to differ slightly is on the appropriatness of freedom. I think that while in the current situation ""free" is not always appropriate", this in not necessary to the human condition, but rather and incidental effect of history. On the other hand a definition like this needs to address the here and now, and not some potential state-of-affairs where humanity enjoys universal intellectual freedom. But, again, we mostly agree see here for e.g. --Inkwina 18:20, 14 May 2007 (CEST)
- Yes. I should add that I am one to enjoy history :-) I'll catch you around, GChriss 20:10, 14 May 2007 (CEST)
- So, in short, I think we are agreeing. Where I do tend to differ slightly is on the appropriatness of freedom. I think that while in the current situation ""free" is not always appropriate", this in not necessary to the human condition, but rather and incidental effect of history. On the other hand a definition like this needs to address the here and now, and not some potential state-of-affairs where humanity enjoys universal intellectual freedom. But, again, we mostly agree see here for e.g. --Inkwina 18:20, 14 May 2007 (CEST)
Why the sneering tone towards authorship anyway? Free Content isn't about limiting author's rights, it's about convincing people that it's better for authors to share, not that they're misguided in wanting some control at all. It's really all about the author's control over the work, because without it an author couldn't say "you must follow the GPL" any more than he could say 'no copying.' 130.58.194.111 05:08, 22 May 2007 (CEST)
Photos should not be modified
There are legal restrictions on the use and modification of photos, especially if they show living people. Personality rights in many countries do not allow to use photos in a way that could be regarded as libel. Photos of buildings or industrial products do not include the right to reproduce them. So the definition of free photos should be less permissive than the current definition and should not include the right of unlimited changes. --84.137.109.177 21:28, 19 May 2007 (CEST)
- Does this need to be in the definition? Surely, all free cultural works are subject to other laws. Free software programs that capture photos in such a way that is governed by personality rights would be affected by those laws, but that doesn't make the software non-free or require the free software defintion, or a license for that matter, to include a clause about personality rights. If the definition, or a license, were to include clauses about every other possible law, there would be no point. What about child pornography, for example?
- Good point, but I don't think it ought to be in the definition. --Balleyne 00:18, 21 March 2008 (EDT)
Trademarks?
There is no mention of trademark restrictions in this article. Does the section No other restrictions or limitations also include trademark restrictions? To give an example, the w:Empire State Building is protected by trademark restrictions, so it is not "free of limitations". Is a photo of it -- a photo that was released by the photographer under a free license -- to be considered "free" according to the definition? / commons:User:Fred J 17:55, 29 May 2007 (CEST)
- This is an excellent question. The best example I can think of is Linux, which is obviously freely-licensed and yet there was a huge controversy and court case surrounding the trademark issue. See Copyright, licensing and the Linux trademark and [1]. Usually it's not a problem, but the trademark issue can make things complicated. Wikipedia, which is GFDl of course, uses trademarks all the time, and has a disclaimer about it: w:Wikipedia:General_disclaimer. w:User:Nadav1 16:06, 31 May 2007 (CEST)
- See also m:User talk:Eloquence#Licensing policy: request for clarification, where I had asked Erik Möller for a clarification regarding that point. The issue goes beyond trademarks. Photographs of people, for instance, cannot be used in advertising without the subject's express consent in many countries, AFAIK (personality rights). What about design protection? And so on... Lupo 11:15, 1 June 2007 (CEST)
Wiki content license
This is terrible, you selected some license, which is still in heavy 'development' to license the content and didn't even say '2.5 or later'. Please! Use instead something like the gnu project does with "Verbatim copying and distribution of this entire article is permitted in any medium without royalty provided this notice is preserved." at the end of each page. Who can actually decide such a change in this wiki?!? --Qubodup 23:49, 1 December 2007 (CET)
- What substantial problem do you see with CC-BY 2.5? I agree that we should add the "any later version" clause, though technically that's problematic at this point.--Erik Möller 11:09, 4 December 2007 (CET)
- Selecting ONE license of many for this definition of content freedom marks this one license special. Why CCby2.5? Why not FAL (LAL) 1.2? Why not GFDL? Why not GPL? If there should be a license for the definition's content at all, it should be every single of the accepted 'free content' licenses (are the ones on the licenses page valid free content licenses?) or something extremely simple and permissive as what the GNU project uses for it's web text content. --Qubodup 20:33, 4 December 2007 (CET)
- PS: A terrible solution would be something like "every change made starting with 04. Dec 2007 is licensed under all of the following licenses and any of their later versions"
Doesn't CC-BY 2.5 itself say that it can be relicensed under any later version (and any national version)?
Allowing reuse of content under any free cultural work license would be certainly wiser, though. It's a bit strange that free cultural works are not permitted to include the definition of free cultural works (unless they use cc-by license, and only that). --Tgr 22:53, 23 December 2007 (CET)
- Why can't they? The cc-by license isn't a "share alike" license. --Andy 11:23, 6 March 2008 (CET)
- The cc-by still has a freaking load of text in it and this is a problem. The free software definition is licensed under "Copyright © 1996 - 2007 Free Software Foundation, Inc., 51 Franklin St, Fifth Floor, Boston, MA 02110-1301, USA Verbatim copying and distribution of this entire article is permitted in any medium without royalty provided this notice is preserved." that's it. overkill is the right word. read this. --Qubodup 11:42, 27 March 2008 (EDT)
Existing exemptions
Free Culture Licenses do not take rights away -- they are always optional to accept, and if accepted, they grant freedoms which copyright law alone does not provide. When accepted, they never limit or reduce existing exemptions in copyright laws.
What exactly does this section intend to state? In the strict sense, a license can never limit an exemption (thats why it is called an exemption). If it's meant in a more general sense, saying that FC licenses are not intended to limit your rights, thats not quite true: they do limit your right to relicense derivative works.
For example, some countries have a concept called panorama freedom: photos made of copyrighted buildings and statues do not need permission from the copyright owner. Thus if somebody takes a picture of a statue, he can treat it as if it were fully his own work: sell it for money, grant limited distribution rights etc. If the statue was under a free "viral" license, that license would explicitly forbid this (the photo being a derivative work). Thus free licenses can take away rights (not freedoms though; actually they take away your right to reduce the freedom of others to use your work). --Tgr 01:35, 24 December 2007 (CET)
An Objective Definition of Free?
I've written two books about copyright, (http://www.greglondon.com/bountyhunters/index.htm) "Bounty Hunters: Metaphors for Fair IP Law" and (http://www.greglondon.com/libre/index.htm) Libre Labyrinth". Both are licensed CC-BY. "Bounty Hunters" is more geared towards understanding how to find copyright laws that are fair for All Rights Reserved applications and how Free/Libre/Open projects fit into that context. "Libre Labyrinth" focuses on objectively describing and comparing different Free/Libre/Open licenses.
The GNU-GPL is graphed out on pages 40 and 41 of "Libre Labyrinth". The main point is that all the "rooms" (all the areas that could be monopolized through some IP law) are open to one another. All the "doors" have been taken off the hinges (it's a bit of an odd metaphor for explaing Venn Diagrams that include allowed state transistions, but it's explained in the beginning of the book, and it seems to work), so there is no one-way trap-doors that allow someone to monopolize the work.
It would seem that this would qualify as an objectively measurable definition of "Free". I thought you might find this useful, but didn't want to put my own works into your wiki. Conflict of interest, and all that. If this is useful, someone can put it in your main page. If it's not, then feel free to leave it out.
GregLondon 00:19, 29 February 2008 (EST)
TECHNICAL: Upload not functional
Make the uploaded files directory writable please, I cannot upload files. --Qubodup 11:44, 27 March 2008 (EDT)
Save It
Can we save it to a music CD
Box at top
Should be (+ "a" or + "the" as the 3rd word):
Jtneill 23:45, 23 June 2008 (EDT)
- "the" added, thank you! Finn Rindahl 13:25, 24 June 2008 (EDT)
TECHNICAL: favicon
Please add the logo as a favicon, it's hard to find this site between lots of tabs... --Tgr 17:01, 9 September 2008 (EDT)
- Thanks for the suggestion. Mako has added this. Angela Beesley 20:41, 10 September 2008 (EDT)
Preamble for 1.1
I think in the 1.1 version we should try to rewrite the preamble in response to some of the feedback we've received. In particular:
- In most countries however, these freedoms are not enforced but suppressed by the laws commonly named copyright laws. They consider authors as god-like creators and give them an exclusive monopoly as to how "their content" can be re-used. This monopoly impedes the flourishing of culture, and it does not even help the economic situation of authors so much as it protects the business model of the most powerful publishing companies.
This seems unnecessarily polemical and polarizing. We want to invite even those people to participate who utilize traditional copyright protections for some of their works. My preference would be to replace this entire paragraph with a more positive one about the power of sharing and collaboration. I don't think we need to take a pro-copyright stance in this definition, but I also don't think we need or want to take an anti-copyright one. Thoughts?--Erik Möller 22:03, 17 September 2008 (EDT)
- Yes Eric, this is currently being discussed on the Wikieducator list at the moment, but you are right to try and bring it here. My feeling is that the paragraph is so poor that it should be deleted immediately. Then you/we could build something up if it leaves a void. Personally I think the document is better without it all together, and is not diminished if nothing is there for a time. Leigh Blackall 15:07 18 Sept NZ time.
- I am an advocate of the free cultural works definition and have recently been directed to issues in the preamble of the definition in the WikiEducator discussion forums. The WikiEducator community have adopted the free cultural works definition and I think that the paragraph referred to below does not serve the interests of the definition. I propose that the following paragraph be deleted from the definition: "In most countries however, these freedoms are not enforced but suppressed by the laws commonly named copyright laws. They consider authors as god-like creators and give them an exclusive monopoly as to how "their content" can be re-used. This monopoly impedes the flourishing of culture, and it does not even help the economic situation of authors so much as it protects the business model of the most powerful publishing companies." Having been on the receiving end of the FUD for many years, I appreciate and understand the sentiments expressed in the paragraph. Perhaps we should create an addendum containing further reading and key resources to articulate these concerns, but I don't think they should be included in the main body of the definition.
--Mackiwg 23:06, 17 September 2008 (EDT)
- I wonder though - given that the discussion page shows a fair number of unresolved or threads without closure, how we will determine consensus and take action on that paragraph...? Leigh Blackall 17:57 18 Sept NZ time.
I've made an edit to Definition/Unstable per the above; feel free to revise further. If I don't hear anything back within the next week, I'm just going to do a quick 1.1 update myself.--Erik Möller 14:06, 18 September 2008 (EDT)
- Yes, neutral is better. I think this is the only part that can be considered biased, the rest looks fine. →Spiritia 15:04, 18 September 2008 (EDT)
Updated.--Erik Möller 21:02, 26 September 2008 (EDT)
- Have further tweaked the Unstable version where I thought there were still unnecessary words, or confusing sentences. Hope to see them in the Definition at some stage. --Leighblackall 21:35, 26 September 2008 (EDT)
Thanks so much for removing this. Now it's actually a neutral definition instead of advocacy. Maybe there's hope for the project after all. :) Omegatron 14:27, 11 January 2009 (EST)
Photos and their use
As a photographer I am concerned with how my work is used. Now having said that I do fully understand the concept of creative commons and free cultural work and other "licenses" however the biggest issue I see is that "one size does not fit all". For example Creative Commons uses music/audio terms such as "remix" and in 30 years do taking photographs I have never once been asked if someone could "remix" my image. GFDL is meant for text - so using it for an image and saying "No Back cover text" does not fully apply.
That being said the FCW license might work great for images with a few re-wording or clarifications. And these are suggestions, rough ones at that.
The freedom to use and perform the work: The licensee must be allowed to make any use, private or public, of the work. For kinds of works where it is relevant, this freedom should include all derived uses ("related rights") such as performing or interpreting the work. There must be no exception regarding, for example, political or religious considerations.
For images the word "perform" might be changed to "display". However for an image I feel "exceptions" should be considered. For example - a photographer takes an image in New Orleans lower ninth ward of an Afro-American who was killed during katrina and they release it "freely". Based upon the FCW "there must be no exception" so a user could re-purpose that image for use in a pro-Nazi poster. A CCL does have "fine print" that state the licensee can not distort, mutilate, modify or take other derogatory action in relation to the Work which would be prejudicial to the Original Author's honor or reputation which I think, in relations to images, is a good thing. Perhaps the FCW could change the wording of "There must be no exception regarding, for example, political or religious considerations" to something along the lines of "There can be exceptions regarding, for example, exploitation or racist use"
The freedom to study the work and apply the information: The licensee must be allowed to examine the work and to use the knowledge gained from the work in any way. The license may not, for example, restrict "reverse engineering".
I do not see any issues with this part as it would relate to images.
The freedom to redistribute copies: Copies may be sold, swapped or given away for free, as part of a larger work, a collection, or independently. There must be no limit on the amount of information that can be copied. There must also not be any limit on who can copy the information or on where the information can be copied
The concept is fine but it's execution in relation to an image might not fully work. Redistribution is fine. Adding to a collection is fine. Anyone can copy it is fine. Sales however is where you run into issues. Look at the "exception" issue(s) for an idea. If there were to be no restrictions on use there would be no doubt an image could be used in a manner it was never intended to be used and be used in that manner to make money. Again - perhaps in regards to images there could be a choice of the photographer to disallow use for hate "profit" (ie - use the image in pro-hate merchandise or literature). Likewise a religious group could take an image of someone dying and place it on a t-shirt saying "Aids Kills" and sell it. I fully believe that a photographer should be allowed some choice in how their image is used.
The freedom to distribute derivative works
Sort of a given with any of these "free" licenses. But perhaps in conjunction with any sort of image options as defined above this would slightly change what the "derivative work" could be used for.
Probably most of this could be added in the Permissible restrictions section too. It would be good to hear other photographers input on this and have a discussion on ways to make this work. Soundvisions1 21:31, 1 October 2008 (EDT)
Time scope and revocability of licenses, etc...
The present definition is unclear concerning
- Licenses allowing free use for a definite time scope (1 year only, 1 week only)
- Licenses with a "for the time being", or "until revoked" clause.
The only point where the present definition clearly rejects revocability is in connection with patents : should not be protected by patents, unless a world-wide, unlimited and irrevocable royalty-free grant... but there is no such condition in connection with copyright.
I suggest that future versions of the definition should address this concern.
I have also questions concerning the space scope : what about non-worldwide, free-in-only-a-few-countries licenses ?
Teofilo 04:12, 20 November 2008 (EST)
- I made a small edit in the unstable version, to reflect this concern : (diff). Teofilo 04:48, 20 November 2008 (EST)
- Compare with the following statement in the definition of « free software » : In order for these freedoms to be real, they must be irrevocable as long as you do nothing wrong; if the developer of the software has the power to revoke the license, without your doing anything to give cause, the software is not free. The Free Software Definition, by the Free Software Foundation. Teofilo 20:15, 28 November 2008 (EST)
- If I understand the intent correctly, it seems to me that it would help to express the "without limitation" principle by explicitly stating that rights granted by any free license should be both perpetual (non-expiring) and non-revocable. Do all of the current stock licenses explicitly express this? Danorton 17:26, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
- I agree that this is a very important clarification to make in the definition. It seems that wording to this effect has been added and removed from various versions of the official definition over the years (and is absent in the current version). I'm not sure why its inclusion has been inconsistent, as it seems to have been part of the unstable version consistently since at least 2006. Perhaps Erik could respond to this, as he is the person who has actually implemented most of the version updates. Is there a reason we don't want to define free licenses as unrevokable or is it just that most people consider this to be obvious? Kaldari 19:05, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
- I don't recall that this has been added before - perhaps I missed it? If you can find it, could you provide a diff? I don't have any problem with adding this to the definition, but I'll post the issue to our mailing list so other people are aware of it as well.--Erik Möller 00:42, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
- The very specific language that has been in the unstable version for a while has never been in this version, as far as I know, but the statement that the freedoms "should be available to anyone, anywhere, anytime" was in both version 0.9 and version 1.0, but was stripped out of version 1.1. This led to a discussion about whether that phrase should be included in the commons licensing policy or not. Personally, I don't think the sentence itself is that important, but the definition should specifically address the issue of revokability somewhere. Kaldari 16:47, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
- I don't recall that this has been added before - perhaps I missed it? If you can find it, could you provide a diff? I don't have any problem with adding this to the definition, but I'll post the issue to our mailing list so other people are aware of it as well.--Erik Möller 00:42, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
Permanent URLs
This needs stable URLs fast. It is impossible to link to it from a legal document as long as the text can change at any time. Definition/1.0 and Definition/1.1 should contain unchanging texts, and so should Definition/1.0/de etc. And they should be referred from the header so readers realize Definition is not a stable text.
(Also, could someone clean out the porn ads from the mailing list home page? Or at least remove the link to them from the site notice?) --Tgr 04:00, 27 November 2008 (EST)
- I don't know if this is what you need, but there is a "permanent link" in the toolbox, in the left margin. However, "The definition itself is not a license", so be careful not to use in a legal document as if it were a license. Teofilo 07:27, 27 November 2008 (EST)
The definition is inteded to be used in legal documents to define what kinds of licenses are acceptable. That's how the Wikimedia Foundation used it in their licensing policy resolution, and IIRC this site was originally created as part of that resolution. And the link to this definition (which plays quite a fundamental role in the policy) now points to a different text than it did when the resolution was passed. Though it says explicitly 1.0, so the intention is clear there, but even if the reader does realise that he has been sent to the wrong page (whch does not exactly create an air of professionalism btw), he has no idea where to find the tight text. (Keep in mind that the intended target audience of this site goes much beyond the wiki world, so the reader is not neccessarily wiki-savvy.) When the wording of a document is less cautious and doesn't explicitly name the version, that could lead to even bigger problems. --Tgr 20:09, 27 November 2008 (EST)
- Tgr, I got your point, you're right that separate versions should be uniquely accessed. This is an easy job to do, and you can help me if you please, as most of the pages are not protected. It is possible to find the precise version before the 1.0->1.1 update and copy it into a subpage, and then exchange links in order to have all readers informed. I will spend some time in the weekend... →Spiritia 17:48, 28 November 2008 (EST)
- I am not able to help for the Korean translation only. I cannot recognize words "version" and "stable" in order to make a precise change in the wordings. For the latin and cyrillic languages, even for Greek, this was an easy job to do. →Spiritia 10:57, 1 December 2008 (EST)
First sentence
The first sentence of this article currently says:
This document defines "Free Cultural Works" as works or expressions which can be freely studied, applied, copied and/or modified, by anyone, for any purpose.
I propose that it be changed to:
This document defines "Free Cultural Works" as works or expressions which can be freely applied, studied, copied, modified, and/or distributed, by anyone, for any purpose.
I have just added "distributed", which appears in other parts of the article, but is strangely missing in the first sentence. In my opinion, "distributed" is important enough to merit inclusion in the first sentence. --Antonielly 18:33, 31 March 2009 (UTC)