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: I strongly disagree. There is no higher degree of freedom than the absence of copyright. To argue that the works of Shakespeare are not ''libre'' because they are not under a copyleft license is bizarre to me. This is also in line with the [[definition]], which permits copyleft, but does not require it.--[[User:Erik Möller|Erik Möller]] 15:45, 5 March 2007 (CET)
 
: I strongly disagree. There is no higher degree of freedom than the absence of copyright. To argue that the works of Shakespeare are not ''libre'' because they are not under a copyleft license is bizarre to me. This is also in line with the [[definition]], which permits copyleft, but does not require it.--[[User:Erik Möller|Erik Möller]] 15:45, 5 March 2007 (CET)
  
Thanks Erik.
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Thanks Erik. Some comments: [[Discussion of copyleft]]
Are there differences between free software, free culture and free knowledge?
 
We seem to be basing the definitions on free software - but is there a point where the analogy does not quite hold? Or where we might need to take a stronger stand on copyleft (for example)?
 
 
 
The [http://creativecommons.org Creative Commons] (concerned with free culture) offers a range of licenses whose degrees of freedom vary, and there is a compatibility gap when we consider freedom to mix (key to free culture).
 
 
 
Derek Keats once explained this to me as follows:
 
 
 
Here are some CC licenses with most restrictive on the left, least restrictive on the right:
 
 
 
(C)----[BY-ND----NC----BY-SA----BY]----[http://creativecommons.org/licenses/publicdomain/ PD]
 
 
 
Now imagine over this continuum above a skewed distribution "degree of freedom" peaking at "BY-SA".
 
 
 
For mixing content there is a compatibility gap:
 
 
 
(C)----[BY-ND----NC--|COMPATIBILITY GAP|--BY-SA----BY]----[http://creativecommons.org/licenses/publicdomain/ PD].
 
 
 
Copyleft contributes a lot to the free culture goal.
 
 
 
Regarding free software we find [http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html#Non-CopyleftedFreeSoftware non-copylefted free software].
 
[http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html#PublicDomainSoftware Public domain software] is [http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html#Non-CopyleftedFreeSoftware non-copylefted free software] - "some copies or modified versions may not be free at all".
 
 
 
For culture it seems to make sense to have a continuum of Creative Commons licenses.
 
 
 
For software we have [http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html#FreeSoftware free] and [http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html#non-freeSoftware non-free] software and permit [http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html#Non-CopyleftedFreeSoftware non-copylefted free software] while preferring [http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html#CopyleftedSoftware CopyleftedSoftware] as it supports the goal of giving ''every'' user (now and in future) the freedoms implied by the term "free software".
 
 
 
Again, copyleft contributes much to the cause.
 
 
 
<small>(Though rms has recently confirmed that the free software definition does not (and ''should not'') ''require'' copyleft). </small>
 
 
 
For free knowledge, the intent is for the knowledge to be free/libre - that the users are free to re-use, build upon and share (alike?) any knowledge they gain from a knowledge resource. Public Domain and Attribution allow the next user to lock up the knowledge in a restrictive derived work.
 
 
 
Is there a case to elevate the status of copyleft? Is copyleft only needed on account of the inappropriate status of copyright in the networked world of blogging, wikis,  ... - the global copy/mix/share read-write culture (where the role of publishers is not so crucial for knowledge dissemination)?
 
 
 
[[User:Ktucker|Kim]] 11:55, 12 March 2007 (CET)
 

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Hi. Just an idea about the buttons: Please make it more international, by using symbols instead of text (like Attribution, Share-Alike). Regards--77.234.80.162 23:18, 16 February 2007 (CET)

Should we avoid duplicating Creative Commons work? - and focus on icons for free/libre content? - e.g. CC-By and Public Domain are arguably non-free/libre - as both allow derived works (such as translations and localisations) to be released under more restrictive licenses. Kim 13:48, 5 March 2007 (CET)

I strongly disagree. There is no higher degree of freedom than the absence of copyright. To argue that the works of Shakespeare are not libre because they are not under a copyleft license is bizarre to me. This is also in line with the definition, which permits copyleft, but does not require it.--Erik Möller 15:45, 5 March 2007 (CET)

Thanks Erik. Some comments: Discussion of copyleft