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Version 1.1 of the Libre Cultural Works Definition (currently [[Libre|this page]]) is intended to match the root [[Definition|Free Cultural Works Definition]] (version 1.1 for both). Changes should be minor as there are external links to this page as the "Libre Cultural Works Definition".
 
Version 1.1 of the Libre Cultural Works Definition (currently [[Libre|this page]]) is intended to match the root [[Definition|Free Cultural Works Definition]] (version 1.1 for both). Changes should be minor as there are external links to this page as the "Libre Cultural Works Definition".
  
For those promoting the word "libre" to disambiguate "free" and reduce confusion, a suggested process of engagement is to:
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For those promoting inclusion of the word "libre" in the Free Cultural Works Definition to disambiguate "free" and reduce confusion, a suggested process of engagement is to:
  
 
* [[Talk:Definition/Unstable|Engage with any process to update the root definition]] and participate constructively while suggesting use of the word "libre" where appropriate.
 
* [[Talk:Definition/Unstable|Engage with any process to update the root definition]] and participate constructively while suggesting use of the word "libre" where appropriate.
 
* In parallel, develop a new version of the [[Libre|Libre Cultural Works Definition]] as the "Libre Works Definition" (see [[User:Cov|Cov]]'s suggestion below)<ref>Originally, I did not want to develop a separate version (too many discussion venues) but rather just participate in the development of the next version and try to persuade that community. Applying both strategies is more proactive. - [[User:KTucker|K]] ([[User talk:KTucker|talk]]) early May.</ref> (i.e. the "[[Libre/Unstable|unstable]]" version under development).
 
* In parallel, develop a new version of the [[Libre|Libre Cultural Works Definition]] as the "Libre Works Definition" (see [[User:Cov|Cov]]'s suggestion below)<ref>Originally, I did not want to develop a separate version (too many discussion venues) but rather just participate in the development of the next version and try to persuade that community. Applying both strategies is more proactive. - [[User:KTucker|K]] ([[User talk:KTucker|talk]]) early May.</ref> (i.e. the "[[Libre/Unstable|unstable]]" version under development).
** Is "Libre Definition" too minimalist? If not (as I believe) then the result (version 2.0) could neatly replace [[Libre|this page]]. - [[User:KTucker|K]] ([[User talk:KTucker|talk]]) 03:21, 3 May 2013 (EDT)
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** Is "Libre Definition" too minimalist? - [[User:KTucker|K]] ([[User talk:KTucker|talk]]) 03:21, 3 May 2013 (EDT)
* If not successful in leading the process and establishing "libre" in the root definition, then revert to following with an updated "libre" version as we did [[Libre|here]] for 1.1.
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* If not successful in ''leading'' the process and establishing "libre" in the root definition, then revert to ''following'' with an updated "libre" version (closely based on the next version of the Free Cultural Works definition) as we did [[Libre|here]] for 1.1.
  
 
= Suggestions =
 
= Suggestions =

Revision as of 17:38, 6 May 2013

Rationale

The word "libre" is in danger of being diluted.

See for example the thread "[okfn-discuss] Problems of nomenclature" which led to the Libre page on Wikipedia.

Diluting the term will eliminate its advantages:

  • "libre" disambiguates "free as in freedom" from "free as in beer" (gratis)
  • "libre" is used extensively in free/libre and open source software (FLOSS) and free/libre and open knowledge contexts to emphasise the freedom perspective.

This is not intended as a "fork".

Links relevant to the rationale for establishing "libre" in the title and text of the FCW definition or for having a separate "libre" definition:

K 15:51, 4 March 2012 (EST)

Aim

First prize for me would be having the word "libre" in the title and text of the root definition (rationale) - K (talk) 03:21, 3 May 2013 (EDT).

Second prize is just continuing with the status quo of having a matching version as we currently have here (which followed development of the root definition).

Process

Version 1.1 of the Libre Cultural Works Definition (currently this page) is intended to match the root Free Cultural Works Definition (version 1.1 for both). Changes should be minor as there are external links to this page as the "Libre Cultural Works Definition".

For those promoting inclusion of the word "libre" in the Free Cultural Works Definition to disambiguate "free" and reduce confusion, a suggested process of engagement is to:

  • Engage with any process to update the root definition and participate constructively while suggesting use of the word "libre" where appropriate.
  • In parallel, develop a new version of the Libre Cultural Works Definition as the "Libre Works Definition" (see Cov's suggestion below)[1] (i.e. the "unstable" version under development).
    • Is "Libre Definition" too minimalist? - K (talk) 03:21, 3 May 2013 (EDT)
  • If not successful in leading the process and establishing "libre" in the root definition, then revert to following with an updated "libre" version (closely based on the next version of the Free Cultural Works definition) as we did here for 1.1.

Suggestions

  • Work the word "libre" into the Free Cultural Works Definition making its meaning clear (free as in freedom as defined here). - K 15:51, 4 March 2012 (EST)
    • How about "merging" simply by changing the title of the main definition to "Free Cultural Works and Libre Resources" or "Free/Libre Cultural Works" or "Free Cultural Works aka Libre Cultural Works" etc.? - K 07:01, 5 March 2012 (EST)
    • Cov has suggested "Libre Works Definition" (currently at Libre/Unstable).
      • I also prefer this[2]. However, we need to ensure that any changes we make are taken into the root definition. So far this page has been following the root definition and matches the stable version 1.1. Perhaps we should create a separate page for the "Libre Works" definition which can lead to the new root definition and become version 2.0 of the "Libre Works Definition"?[3]
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References

  1. Originally, I did not want to develop a separate version (too many discussion venues) but rather just participate in the development of the next version and try to persuade that community. Applying both strategies is more proactive. - K (talk) early May.
  2. For me "Cultural" implies social sciences, humanities and the arts. Having said that, there is something appealing about the word given the history of the word culture. - K (talk) 03:21, 3 May 2013 (EDT)
  3. I will go ahead and set this up, as this page needs to match the current stable 1.1 root version for the time being (until a new version is released). - K (talk) 03:21, 3 May 2013 (EDT)